What do we have to do to set up an *independent organisation* in Europe with an endowment from our (EU taxpayers’) money to maintain a free/open, private-by-default web browser that we legislate must be included in all operating systems made available in the EU?


We would likely fork Firefox, remove all the Silicon Valley/commercial bullshit, and hire engineers from Mozilla and elsewhere who want to work somewhere where they have the freedom to work on a browser for the common good without any Silicon Valley/commercial interference.

The challenge here isn’t technical; it’s funding and independence.

To succeed, any such organisation must be free of political interference and its funding must be guaranteed via an endowment and not privy to the whims of short-term political posturing.


@aral Funding is the issue. I however lean in the direction that software should be crowd funded. That way, actual people are in the control of the project as opposed to organizations.

We need a paradigm shift. We expect everything from the internet to be free. But we need to normalize to give back to creators. We need systems that makes it easy, secure, private and convinient to tip. In a way that preserves autonomy.

The key word is normalize. It should be so easy to tip that once you have set it up you can donate by clicking a button on the webpage/ browser.

But that would require control. So no automated donations.

@vega If only there was a concept where we could all give a portion of what we make to crowdfund things for the common good… I don’t know, we could call it Raxes? Saxes… ? Something like that ;)

@aral @vega

look, I think I understand you argument

but it's a purely theoretical arguments

We all knwo what taxes are, this soesn't make this idea more feasible

This is something that needs to be hacked through, I'm afraid

there are no shortcuts

Sorry if I sound pessimistic

@aral @vega

this is why I look at Gnome, Kde, Enlightment, any other desktop anv

AND to clw's work

because if we have hte data, we can also support the mantaining of our GUI layer (whatever that is)

In order to have a sustainable frontend, you need the ability to flood it with data

That's the hack we suffered with the web

We should do it again

@aral @vega

this is ot to say that political campaning has no place

It has its place

But political campaining alone won't cut it, I'm afraid

We need to build some mass from an absolutely unfair position

@vega @aral How do you prevent crowd funding from going the kickstarter-bow-to-the-rich-premium-backers route?

There are real ways (like co-ops, where members are only allowed to own the same part as the others), but all this is a pretty big organizing effort.

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