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So after ejecting my self from using as a daily driver, a kneejerk response to the "goings on" of the NixOS community, I've also realised that if I'm going to deploy NixOS as well as here and there, it makes more sense to run it on bare metal rather than through a VM.

In particular because I don't want to pass through most hardware, leaving the host operating system a gangrenous limb.

But, I will still be recommending people use , because it is easy and safe to use.

@hopland I was considering installing NixOS on my workstation. The whole declarative aspect of installing and configuring files seemed appealing, but on second thought I realised I am just bored of Tumbleweed because it is stable and I don't have to tinker with it constantly.

Haven't tried Fedora in a long while though, especially never tried Silverblue or Budgie. Why do you recommend them? Just the immutable aspect?

@ghastrum to me, something like Atomic is perfect for the general consumer.

Not only does it use isolated read-only system images (requiring reboot), but since it's you can easily swap remote refs, and rebase a system, which is preferable to massive uninstall and reinstall operations on a running system.

Think trying out Kinoite () instead of Silverblue (). Sure, both dnf and apt can handle massive reinstalls, but the cruftification is real.

`rpm-ostree rebase` go brrr.

@ghastrum what this does however is lay claim to the default UNIX paths, so the user can't write to them - only update or rebase images using the ostree tooling.

The user is mostly forced to rely on and . They can use rpm-ostree to install (because you can overlay packages - much to Atomic Devs dismay).

This means that the virtual environment has entered the space, and since it's user specific, these environments are also portable.

Yes, even

Thor A. Hopland

@ghastrum the ultimate result being a decoupling of system and user, the Linux way, instead of the POSIX way. We just add an immutable system, a bunch of virtual envs and call it a day.

Intrinsically, this has become the basis of and you can find a similar approach by , albeit through an Ubuntu base using their own immutable system, and is immutable as well.

I think this is the future of the desktop, because it gives the user safety and options at the same time.

@ghastrum thank you for coming to my TedTalk X.

@hopland I can see it being the future for some, maybe for newcomers to Linux and people who just want a stable experience and a working computer 😂

Personally I don't like Flatpaks because of speed and most of them are built with GTK (mostly because Qt isn't free) ruining my customisation preference.

I will try Kinoite or Aeon in a VM. And when my mom is getting a new laptop maybe I'll sneak in an immutable distro with a W11/12 skin and see if she notices 😂